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Pk Sharma (guest) 21 Apr 2019 21:17
in discussion GKOS discussions (for all) / General discussion » Hebrew GKOS on QWERTY

seppo : "Just open index . html which you edited…."
seems like this refers to the index.html on -
gkos . com/gkos/type/index . html

i guess gkosheb meant the above index . html file (edited for hebrew) when he wrote : "Hi Seppo. Unfortunately. It didn't work. My browser still typed QWERTY when I loaded the Hebrew version."

but i don't understand how this web-based index . html code editing will "help me find a way to use my QWERTY keyboard in GKOS mode to work in MS WORD."

maybe gkosw . exe was being thought about for use in MS Word

(The QWERTY has given me repetitive action injury - so I hope GKOS can solve that).

problem still persists ?

pk, kolkata, india

by Pk Sharma (guest), 21 Apr 2019 21:17

Her is the text by Railway Hacker with links included:

The SixKeyBoard keyboard can be seen (and bought for 45$) at:
http://techkeys.us/collections/accessories/products/sixkeyboard
Though originally intended for static hotkeys I think it will make a great GKOS keyboard :)

I have purchased one and with 3 x R4 and 3 x R1 key caps it rests fine in my hand,
allowing for all key combinations to be presses one-handed.

But I will request your help:
Does any of you have existing software that can either work with a small modification or out of the box?
or just prior knowledge of Atmel Flip (I have never used it before)

Any help and existing source code will be welcomed

I have urged for a GKOS for a decade now, searched for a place to buy one so many times, failing each year.
Then I saw this video featuring the SixKeyBoard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINgh4vF4VU
I bought one (+12 key caps and an extra PCB)
It has arrived.
Now I hope we can make it into a GKOS keyboard together.

I got the following instructions from techkeys:

To re-flash the controller.
1) Unscrew the PCB from the case
2) Plug the device into the PC
3) Short the two pads pictured here with a wire or paperclip - this will reset the device to enable flashing new firmware
SixKeyPCB.png
4) Install and open Atmel Flip (http://www.atmel.com/tools/FLIP.aspx)
5) Under the Device menu choose Select and choose ATmega16U2 for the controller
6) Under Setting —> Communication menu select USB and open the device
7) Under File —> Load Hex File (Compiled Code)
8) Select Run
9) Unplug and re-plug the device from the PC
Here are some images:
The Right/Top (all metal) row are R1 key caps, while the Left/Lower row are R4
SixKeyBoard_Hand_1.jpg
SixKeyBoard_Hand_2.jpgSixKeyBoard_Sideview_1.jpg
SixKeyBoard_Sideview_2.jpg(I apologize for the bad manicure)
SixKeyBoard_Typing_1.jpg
SixKeyBoard_Typing_2.jpg
Larger images available at:
http://www.RailwayHacker.com/GKOS/GKOS_images_big.zip (18 MB)
http://www.RailwayHacker.com/GKOS/GKOS_images_medium.zip (3 MB)
Re: GKOS for SixKeyBoard by seppo_tseppo_t, 21 Jun 2017 10:20

Hi all! ComboKey is a total upgrade of GKOS, taking usability to a higher level. It can be used with one hand, left handed or right handed, or also with two hands. The other hand is left free while the typing hand holds the device. Give your opinions and proposals here.

GKOS upgraded: ComboKey by seppo_tseppo_t, 21 Jun 2017 10:14

The big question is: Can the SixKeyBoard detect up to six simultaneous key presses? The answer could be found by studying the wiring of the keypad. It that makes it feasible hardware-wise, then the software might be able to do the rest. - Unfortunately, Railway Hacker, your links cannot be shown here. It is a feature of the service we are using here :( - The device is a good find! Worth studying further.

Re: GKOS for SixKeyBoard by seppo_tseppo_t, 23 Feb 2017 19:09

The SixKeyBoard keyboard can be seen (and bought for 45$) at:
(low-karma users are not allowed to publish links on this site)
Though originally intended for static hotkeys I think it will make a great GKOS keyboard :)

I have purchased one and with 3 x R4 and 3 x R1 key caps it rests fine in my hand,
allowing for all key combinations to be presses one-handed.

But I will request your help:
Does any of you have existing software that can either work with a small modification or out of the box?
or just prior knowledge of Atmel Flip (I have never used it before)

Any help and existing source code will be welcomed

I have urged for a GKOS for a decade now, searched for a place to buy one so many times, failing each year.
Then I saw this video featuring the SixKeyBoard: (low-karma users are not allowed to publish links on this site)
I bought one (+12 key caps and an extra PCB)
It has arrived.
Now I hope we can make it into a GKOS keyboard together.

I got the following instructions from techkeys:

To re-flash the controller.
1) Unscrew the PCB from the case
2) Plug the device into the PC
3) Short the two pads pictured here with a wire or paperclip - this will reset the device to enable flashing new firmware
(low-karma users are not allowed to publish images on this site)
4) Install and open Atmel Flip (low-karma users are not allowed to publish links on this site)
5) Under the Device menu choose Select and choose ATmega16U2 for the controller
6) Under Setting —> Communication menu select USB and open the device
7) Under File —> Load Hex File (Compiled Code)
8) Select Run
9) Unplug and re-plug the device from the PC

Here are some images:
The Right/Top (all metal) row are R1 key caps, while the Left/Lower row are R4
(low-karma users are not allowed to publish images on this site)
(low-karma users are not allowed to publish images on this site)

(low-karma users are not allowed to publish images on this site)
(low-karma users are not allowed to publish images on this site)

(I apologize for the bad manicure)
(low-karma users are not allowed to publish images on this site)
(low-karma users are not allowed to publish images on this site)
Larger images available at:
(low-karma users are not allowed to publish links on this site)

GKOS for SixKeyBoard by Railway HackerRailway Hacker, 21 Jun 2016 19:29

The GKOS Keyboard is an open standard, free for anyone who wishes to use the keyboard principle (implementation can be open source or not). The developer of the GKOS Keyboard application (metapropos) has applied this standard in the smartphone application. As far as I know the source code of the app has not been published.

by seppo_tseppo_t, 20 Apr 2016 07:35
FOSS (guest) 19 Apr 2016 23:04
in discussion GKOS discussions (for all) / General discussion » GKOS for Android phones

Where is the source code of GKOS app for Android as well as for other operating systems? I could not find it. It should be open like other Global Keyboard Open Standard projects, should not it?

by FOSS (guest), 19 Apr 2016 23:04

Thanks for reminding. I have noticed the same thing on some more recent APIs. Something has changed in the way touch events are generated. Touch down, touch position changed etc. are not behaving as they used to. I will study it.

by seppo_tseppo_t, 18 Jun 2015 16:57
Tony (guest) 17 Jun 2015 21:45
in discussion GKOS discussions (for all) / General discussion » GKOS for Android phones

Hello,

I discovered GKOS recently and I just tested the download above. Unfortunately it seems to be less sensitive than the google play version (which is quite big on a Galaxy Alpha). It seems like you have to swipe over every button. Maybe something has changed in this regard?

Thaks for this app either way!

Regards, Tony

by Tony (guest), 17 Jun 2015 21:45
Loonie (guest) 28 Feb 2015 23:50
in discussion GKOS discussions (for all) / General discussion » GKOS for Android phones

Hi,

I only saw your post a few days ago and I installed it yesterday. I find the size much more comfortable! I think I'll be using it as a main keyboard. I have to look for the letters a lot for the moment, but I don't mistype, wich is really satisfying.

The only thing is that the repeat function when holding the Abc button doesn't seem to work anymore.

Thank you for this new version !

Is there any way I could help with it ?

by Loonie (guest), 28 Feb 2015 23:50

With the new Android Studio it was easy as pie: http://combokey.com/test/GKOSKeyboard_s010.apk

This has been signed with a different key than the previous "Chorded Keyboard - GKOS" app which must be uninstalled first!

The new apk implements the system default keyboard with less height. Not adjustable yet, however.

by seppo_tseppo_t, 16 Feb 2015 20:31

A default system keyboard requires creating an Android Service. It looks like this is not possible in QtCreater at the moment, only Activities can be defined (the 'app itself'). There are some hacks, however.

by seppo_tseppo_t, 04 Feb 2015 22:10
Loonie (guest) 02 Feb 2015 13:58
in discussion GKOS discussions (for all) / General discussion » GKOS for Android phones

I don't know about QtCreator, but it seems you have to create an InputMethodService .

I can't seem to find a convenient way to trick wikidot into letting me posting URLs so I am emailing them to you.

I'm not an Android developer, I looked into that this weekend but I didn't really try anything.

by Loonie (guest), 02 Feb 2015 13:58

Yes, after seeing the screenshots, I realized you were talking about GKOS, not ComboKey. The latest ComboKey is in Google Play now and should have updated on devices.

The GKOS is not so easy to modify because it was designed by our GKOS team that meets seldom and I personally cannot do too much. I agree the GKOS keypad is too tall as you pointed out and hope to be able to improve it.

The ComboKey is my first personal attempt to do Android apps. I still have to find out how to make it a default keyboard in other applications. Any clues? I'm using QtCreator for Android.

by seppo_tseppo_t, 02 Feb 2015 12:55
Loonie (guest) 02 Feb 2015 12:22
in discussion GKOS discussions (for all) / General discussion » GKOS for Android phones

Just wanted to make sure there was no misunderstanding: the third screenshot was not a real screenshot, it was me copy-pasting the landscape keyboard over the portrait screenshot.

I could not find 1.1.0 beta 3, is it GKOS or Combokey ? Google Play automatically updated my Combokey app, is that what you were talking about ?

by Loonie (guest), 02 Feb 2015 12:22

I did some checking of my app and found that some devices could perhaps interpret wrong the height and width parameters, and this would result in strange behavior by mixing portrait and landscape orientations.

The already published app was tested on four devices: 3 phones and one tablet where it functioned correctly. But now I have put a modified version (v110 beta 3) available for testing at combokey dot com. It might function better with different orientations. Comments?

About 'repeat' in ComboKey, there's no Abc button but I'm planning to implement it so that when you type the same character or function (arrows etc.) second time and hold, autorepeat will start.

by seppo_tseppo_t, 28 Jan 2015 16:49

Ok, thanks. You can email screenshots to gkos(at)gkos.com
I'd also like to see how ComboKey looks like on your device while you are having trouble reaching the buttons. Seems my app is not working as intended on your smartphone…

by seppo_tseppo_t, 27 Jan 2015 23:11
Loonie (guest) 27 Jan 2015 09:49
in discussion GKOS discussions (for all) / General discussion » GKOS for Android phones

I mean that there is not much space left on the rest of the screen and that for example in my chat app, between the input field and the title bar that tells me who I am talking to, I can only see half a message. If the other people speak fast I cannot keep track of what they are saying.

Is there a way I can send you my screenshots and mockup for you to see ?
My screen is 1280x720 and in landscape mode the keyboard is 480px tall (the 240px left is the height of the input field) and in portrait mode the keyboard is 760px tall. 760px is way too much, the 480px height is perfect for me.

Obviously the numbers won't be the same on other phones, that's why I think an option to re-size would be super great.

by Loonie (guest), 27 Jan 2015 09:49

Thanks for these proposed changes and comments! I was kind of busy putting ComboKey to Google Play after realizing that with Qt Creator it is now possible to create Android apps as well. For the first update I will take these proposals into consideration.

I think I could remove the Ins key and move Alt to its position, so 123abc would function both ways: Space+Backspace and Backspace+Space. Ins could still be found in 123 mode. And adjusting the size of the portrait pad could become an option at this stage. The ComboKey pad is relative to the display size at the moment so on tablets it is really big. …Edit: In my Sony Xperia SP C5303, the landscape ComboKey pad is just a little bit taller than the portrait one, just a bit. - Could you define what you mean by: "Not only that, but I like to see what's going on and there is not much left to see between the input field and the status bars/menus.".

by seppo_tseppo_t, 26 Jan 2015 10:08
Loonie (guest) 25 Jan 2015 14:47
in discussion GKOS discussions (for all) / General discussion » GKOS for Android phones

Hello,

I love the concept of these keyboards. I love that at last it seems possible to touch type on a touch screen !

I've toyed with both of your android keyboards, and the new layout is indeed more suited for typing with 1 thumb only, which is great !

As for now I wouldn't use them as a main keyboard, because of the vertical space they take up in portrait mode. I don't know what type of phone you are testing on, but on mine keys are really huge for my little thumbs and they have to travel a very long distance to go from bottom to top buttons. I either have to reach in an uncomfortable position (and possibly hurt myself) or move my whole hand up and down the phone (which requires two hands or risk dropping the phone, and takes time). Not only that, but I like to see what's going on and there is not much left to see between the input field and the status bars/menus.
In landscape mode the size is just about perfect for me. I would really like tho have the same size in portrait. I took 2 screenshots (landscape and portrait) and made a mock-up of what it would be like to have the landscape size in portrait mode, but it won't allow me to post them here.
In portrait mode on my phone the keyboard is 760px tall when 480px (landcape mode) would be enough.

Other people mentioned it, and I think being able to re-size the keyboard to fit one's needs is essential.

Apart from that, I tried both GKOS v1.0b and v1.1.0b and I think being able to repeat the last button by pressing abc is a great addition, it works well. I like being able to change the theme myself.
When using the GKOS (v1.1.0b) keyboard as system keyboard, pressing the "Tools" button makes it crash. If I want to change the settings I must open the stand-alone app from the app list and then go back to the app I was trying to type in.

In the ComboKey app, pressing the backspace then space button is "Alt" and pressing space then backspace is number mode. This makes it unreliable for typing with two thumbs because when pressing both at the same time you don't know if you're changing mode or pressing Alt.

I'd really love to use it as a main keyboard on my phone when a re-size option is available and when it goes open-source I'll definitely have a look at it and maybe help improve it :)

Cheers !

by Loonie (guest), 25 Jan 2015 14:47
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